'What you said didn't sit right with me'

Jasmine Ketibuah-Foley
BBC News, west of England
Adrian Chiles
BBC Radio 5 Live
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Bristol footballers attended a bystander training session with BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Adrian Chiles

Do you know what to say when "banter" in the locker room becomes misogynistic, homophobic or racist?

If you do nothing, it could give your peers the impression their behaviour is acceptable and possibly the green light to do something worse.

The government has pledged to halve violence against women and girls within a decade, and has set out new measures to combat the issue.

BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Adrian Chiles invited 10 Bristolian male footballers to a bystander training session to learn how to safely stop harmful attitudes and beliefs.

Sitting in a conference room in the heart of Bristol, the players from Saints Old Boys Football club heard statistics about how common violence against women is in the UK.

"One in three women will experience domestic abuse in their lifetimes. How does it feel to hear that?" trainer Nate Eisenstadt asked the men.

One of the amateur footballers, Chris Jones, expressed surprise at the figures, saying, "we're just not aware of it, it's really sad. you could be sat next to somebody who is a wife beater and you wouldn't know".

However, his teammate Lewis Tilley was less surprised: "I know of people," he said. "You see it on Facebook, doing the rounds on social media, 'did you see so and so, they've broken up and he's gone mental'.

"If it's somebody you don't know that well, you might think it's not your place [to intervene]."

Advice on how to approach

It is in these situations that trainer Nate Eisenstadt advises to approach a person "as a friend", to not "cut them down", but to invite them to "think about the impact of their words".

"Some people will be resistant," he warned.

But he said it was "about upskilling people to intervene in low-level harmful interventions".

"For example, you might hear some locker room banter that is sexist, street harassment, things that undermine women and pave the way for higher-level harm.

"Someone in response could say, 'I think that's outdated', or make a joke out of it and say, 'Are we in the 1940s?'.

"The next day you can say, 'What you said didn't sit right with me'."

The Bristol Old Saints celebrating at a match on the Downs in Bristol in front of fans
Players from the Bristol Saints Old Boys Club shared candid examples of difficult moments they could have intervened in

Sport is no stranger to being a place where harmful comments are made.

Charities like Kick It Out have been established to promote inclusion and address discriminatory behaviour among fans and players.

The organisation said it had received 1,332 reports of abuse in the 2023/24 season - the highest number it had seen in a single season, with reports of sexism and misogyny increasing by 44% in the same time period.

These statistics suggest discrimination in sport is not slowing down.

Football players from Saints Old Boys Football club sitting around a white table in the BBC
Adrian Chiles and the footballers discussed what they had heard

When harmful language becomes part of a culture, it can be very confusing for people to know where the boundaries lie.

The Radio 5 Live presenter asked the group if they were clear on what was acceptable and unacceptable within their team.

"Would you confess any confusion?" he asked them.

Graham Edgell, club manager, said it was quite normal for people to see "banter" in sport as something that brought players together, something that "drops the barriers".

"But it does mean that you're more aware when you're in different environments, you need to behave in a different way," he said.

"You need to be a bit more agile, especially people at my age, we have no idea what is correct."

Graham wearing a suit and striped shirt with grey hair smiling at the camera
Club manager Graham Edgell explained how "banter" in sport had been normalised

After sharing very honest and candid examples of difficult moments they could have intervened in, the footballers reflected on how they would take their learnings back into their own lives.

They were struck by how "powerful" it could be to speak up in situations and said they now felt more "empowered" to spot things before they escalated.

"We have a lot of leaders within the club," the manager said.

"People young lads and adults will look up to.

"If that person is demonstrating a set of values and a way of acting then that sets the tone for people around them."

'One gentle word'

Chiles said the aspect of the course that most struck him was when trainer Nate Eisenstadt asked the group to read out quotes from women on methods they use to ensure their personal safety.

The men in attendance were then asked what they themselves did to minimise their risk of sexual violence.

"It really stunned me - partly at my own naivety and stupidity in not thinking about this before as a father of two daughters and somebody who cares about these things," he said.

Having sat in on the course, Chiles reflected on how "taken" he was by "how little I've thought about intervening really".

"It's never simple, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't think about doing it.

"Given that you can affect the behaviour of the whole group, it's quite highly geared.

"Just one gentle word might affect a greater change than you think," he added.

If you have been affected by issues raised in this article, help and support can be found on the BBC action line website.

Adrian's interview was part of a wider series on BBC Radio 5 Live about violence against women.

Listen to a live audience discussion about the subject on BBC Sounds.

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